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I’m super excited to share this week’s episode with you! Sharon is a dear friend of mine who I met back in 2013 when I did the PSYCH-K® Advanced Integration Workshop for the first time. Since then, we’ve seen each other on many other PSYCH-K® workshops. Sharon has even gone on to become the second PSYCH-K® instructor here in the UK. I love how she works, and I love her dedication to mindset work.

About Sharon Lock

Sharon is passionate about supporting people to achieve optimum health – physical, emotional and spiritual wellbeing, with the right mindset in place to support that goal. Her mission is to help people to let go of limiting beliefs, in order to help them to break through barriers to achieving their goals and to becoming the best expression of themselves they can be.

At the same time, she also understands the importance of taking action to achieve those goals and the subconscious resistance or self-sabotage that emerges as part of that process. She has an impressive toolkit of skills, gathered over the last 15+ years to deal with all aspects of those challenges and knows exactly what to do when you get stuck.

She is never happier than when she is able to teach PSYCH-K®. Empowering individuals to make deep and profound changes within their own lives.

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What You’ll Learn

What is mindset
What it means when we talk about doing “mindset work”
How we began doing mindset work
What our own mindset practice looks like
How our own mindset practice has evolved over the years
How our lives have changed from doing this work with ourselves
Why it’s so important to train in a technique so you can work with yourself
How to find the right technique for you
How to get extra support by having sessions with another professional
How to know when it’s time to ask for help from someone else
Resistance: what it looks like and how to tell when you’re experiencing it
Secondary gain: what is it and how to know if you’ve got it
How to get the confidence to work on your own with yourself
How your mindset work actually benefits others in your life
How to make your mindset work a habit and a regular practice

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Holly: Hello and welcome to the Into The Woods podcast episode 295; this is your host Holly Worton and I am back with another guest. So, as you know about over a year ago, I quit doing interviews on this podcast, but I have occasionally had guests come on, random guests, not my monthly guests Jo and Joanna. I have had random people come on to do an episode with, and it is not an interview it is a conversation. Now, I am still not accepting pitches to be a guest on this show, because it is something that I do very once in a while and it is the kind of thing where I am having a conversation with someone that I know I can have a really juicy and useful conversation with, which is not always the case when people approach me from out of the blue. I really want to make sure that these conversations are deep, and juicy, and interesting and useful to you. Otherwise it is a waste of time and I really don’t want to waste your time, because I really value the fact that you are subscribed to this podcast and are listening to me every week, I am very, very, grateful for that.

So, today’s podcast, with Sharon Lock, came about as a result of conversation that Sharon and I one day, when we were having a Skype call to catch up, and I realised that it would make a really good podcast. And we came up with this idea about four months ago, and between renovations on Sharon’s house and all kinds of stuff, the holidays, the end of the year, it is just now happening. So, I am super-excited that we finally had this conversation in a way that we can share with someone else and that we can get it out there.

So, who is Sharon Lock? Sharon I first met back in 2013 when I was doing my PSYCH-K® training. So I did my basic workshop with Cazzie Dare, at the end of July, in 2013. As you know used it a lot, loved the technique, loved the tool, and I was very anxious to do the Advanced Integration Workshop. And Cazzie had originally planned one for somewhere down South, I think she was doing workshops at the time in Brighton and Hove, and I had signed up for one of those, and she ended up having to cancel it for some reason or another and I said: what can I do, I really, really, had my heart set on this workshop? And she said well, got another one up in Leeds, and Sharon was the person who was hosting it up in Leeds, sponsoring the workshop. And I thought: I don’t know where the heck Leeds is but I am going. When I got on Google maps and I went: oh my God, it is up in Yorkshire, how am I going to get up there, I hope there is a train. And of course there was, and I signed up, I went and had another life-changing experience and that really deepened the mindset work that I did with myself and with other people. So, as I said, Sharon had sponsored that workshop and that was where I first met her and I went on to see her at other PSYCH-K® workshops, the Advanced Integration retreat, she is someone that I consider a very good friend and we catch up on Skype all the time and I am very, very, happy to have her in my life. I have done a lot of PK work with her, she has facilitated sessions with me, she is an absolute fantastic facilitator and she has since gone on to become an instructor herself.

So, Sharon is joining me today and I am going to read her official bio, right before we get into the episode:

“Sharon is passionate about supporting people to achieve optimum health and physical and emotional wellbeing, with the right mindset in place to support that goal. Her mission is to help people to harness the power of their minds and specifically the brain, (backed up by the most up to date neuroscience research), in order to help them to break through barriers to achieving their goals and to becoming the best expression of themselves they can be.

At the same time, she also understands the importance of taking action to achieve those goals and the subconscious resistance or self-sabotage that emerges as part of that process. She has an impressive toolkit of skills, gathered over the last 15 years to deal with all aspects of those challenges and knows exactly what to do when you get stuck.”

So, she is the perfect person to have this conversation with, and the what we are going to to talk about today is: how to make mindset work a habit, and this is something that I have talked about before, I actually did another podcast episode, number 230, with the same title and that was just a solo episode with myself, talking from my perspective about why I think it is so important to make this work a habit. This is a very important topic for me because, back when I was working with clients on a regular basis, seeing people who would do some work and go away, and then come back and then go away and then come back and I know that they were letting a lot of time go between sessions, which is fine, but I also had the feeling that they weren’t doing a lot of work with themselves on their own. I really feel like a lot of people who are interested in doing mindset work, and making these changes, could really, really, benefit from doing this work with themselves on a regular basis and using this mindset work to lift themselves up and to make small, consistent, regular, changes in their lives. I personally have really benefited from making this work a habit, and I would love to see more people do so. So, that is the motivation behind having this conversation with Sharon.

So what are you going to learn today?

We are going to talk about: what is mindset? Because I realise that I often forget to talk about that. We talk about what it means when we talk about doing mindset work because I talk about doing mindset work a lot and every once in a while, someone will say to me: what does that even mean to do mindset work? We talk about how we began doing mindset work, my journey, Sharon’s journey, how we came to this. We discuss what our own personal mindset practice looks like. We discuss how our own mindset practice has evolved over the years because it has changed for both of us. We discuss why our lives have changed and how our lives have changed from doing this work with ourselves. We talk about why it is so important to train in a technique so you can work with yourself and how to find the right technique for you, because sometimes it takes some trial and error before you figure out which is the best technique for you and there might be more than one. Next, we talk about how to get extra support by having sessions with another professional, because sometimes we need a little help. We discuss how to know when it is time to ask for help from someone else. We explore the concept of resistance, what it looks like, and how to tell when you are experiencing it. We also discuss secondary gain, what is secondary gain? And how to know if you have got it, because it can sometimes be a bit tricky to realise when we have got that going on. We discuss how to get the confidence to work on your own, with yourself, so if you have taken a workshop in something, and you want to go home and use it but maybe you are not feeling confident enough, how to get that confidence. We discuss how our mindset work actually benefits other people in our lives, not just ourselves. And, finally, we talk about how to make your mindset work a habit and regular practice in your life.

So, I hope you find this episode interpreting and useful and inspiring, and I think Sharon brings a really different perspective to mine, but also complementary, that really adds another level to this conversation and to the concept of why it is so important to make mindset work a habit, and how we can really benefit from doing this work with ourselves on a regular and consistent basis.

So, without further ado, I will pass you on to the conversation and the episode.

Holly: Hey Sharon.

Sharon: Hi Holly!

Holly: How are you doing today?

Sharon: Really good thanks, it is sunny here, is it sunny with you?

Holly: Yes, it is, it is a miracle!! {laughing} So, I am super-excited to have this conversation with you, because I have been on much of my journey with mindset stuff with you and you have much more experience than I do in this, so I am really excited to dig into this topic, because it is one of my favourite things to talk about.

So, we are going to talk a little bit today about how to make mindset work a habit, and this is something that I have talked about on my own, but I really am looking forward to hearing your opinion on this and having this conversation with you. So, I think we should start out by saying: what is mindset work? So how do you view mindset work? How would you define it?

Sharon: So mindset work, when something is challenging you in your life, or you are not moving in the direction you want to go, you are coming up against blocks, things are challenging or difficult, often the block is coming from mindset stuff. If we rely on habits, and taking action to make changes, sometimes that is do-able, but it needs repetition an awful lot, and I think the mindset stuff, if we are in right mindset to make the change, if we are ready to make that change, willing and able, then the actions follow much more easily. I don’t know if you would agree Holly?

Holly: Absolutely, and I think the biggest result that I have seen from doing mindset work with myself, and one of the biggest comments that I have gotten from clients over the years is that after doing the mindset work it is easier to take the actions that we already knew that we needed to take, but we were procrastinating on, or struggling with, or it was just like pulling teeth trying to get things done.

Sharon: Exactly, so rather than it being a challenge, it being hard work, and that is the experience that you have, you have got to push, push, push, when you have got the right mindset, when you have done the right mindset work to be in the right space to be able to move forward, then there is a sense of flow and ease about moving forward in the direction that you want to go — it feels very different.

Holly: Yes, absolutely. And as we are having this conversation, I am realising that perhaps we should have taken it one step back and said: what is mindset?

Sharon: Yeah, sure, how would you define mindset Holly?

Holly: I would say that mindset is our own personal collection of beliefs, both positive, enhancing or limiting. Our fears, because those inform our beliefs, the lens we use to see the world and also the blocks that we have. The blocks are also limiting beliefs, our attitudes and our beliefs that we operate with as we go through life.

Sharon: And lots of these come through experiences in life, don’t they? Some of the beliefs that are limiting us in some way, many were programmed in super early in life, when we were quite programmable, in that hypnogogic state until about the age of seven, but even in-utero, I mean Bruce Lipman talks about this an awful lot in his work about how limiting beliefs are laid down and how they run as programs in our subconscious so we don’t always have access to them, but the way that we know they are there is because they are showing up in our life, every day. Whatever our life experience is, is based on those fundamental beliefs, whether they are supportive, enhancing, beliefs or limiting ones. So that is where the blocks are often uncovered, where there is a limiting belief that is kind of holding you back in some way, so being able to identify those and change those, that’s a big part of mindset work, or particularly the mindset work that I do.

Holly: Absolutely. I think one of the things, or the question that people have when they start approaching this concept is: well, how do I know what is going on in my subconscious? How do I know what these beliefs are if I am not consciously aware of them?

Sharon: And, usually, the answer to that question is that you see it, if there is something that is not working in your life, typically it is showing that there is a limiting belief underpinning that, so usually it is your life experience, things are not going in the direction that you want to go, there is something that is there, within your subconscious, that is blocking that thing that you want I your life.

Holly: And also, when you kind of procrastinate on things, you are not taking the actions that you want to take, you can stop and think: well, why am I not doing this? I want the result, but I am not willing to do the work to get there, so what is going on for me, what am I afraid of? Do I believe that I can’t do it?

Sharon: Yep, so that’s usually where there is a limiting belief going on under the surface. So you might not know what it is but you know that that block is there, so it is about exploring what that is.

Holly: So, how did you begin doing mindset work? How did you first start getting involved in doing this work with yourself and with other people?

Sharon: Well, I guess I have always been passionate about personal development, I have always been interested in natural medicine, and actually my entry into working with mindset stuff, or mindset work, was through homeopathy. So I originally trained as a homeopath and supported people, particularly with health, and wellbeing, but also with lots of emotional stuff too. So, prescribing homeopathic remedies to support them to move in the direction that they wanted to go, whether it was working with a physical condition, or an emotional state, and so that was my entry into supporting and working with people and I loved that, and I loved homeopathy. But, on my journey, particularly as a restful of having my eldest child, who is now 17, Alex, he struggled from being quite small with food intolerance, and sensitivity. And so on my journey I found a method of using muscle testing – kinesiology — to be able to access information within his subconscious to find out what is going on; to be able to support him whatever he needed in whatever order he needed, whether that was a homeopathic remedy, a flower essence, or something else, nutritional perhaps, to support his body to be able to cope with foods in a way that he hadn’t been able to since being very, very, small. So, that was incredible, I went on a training course, met a lovely lady on that course and we stayed in touch to be able to practice the muscle testing together. And she emailed me a little bit further down the line and said: I am doing this course, Sharon, I think you will be interested, let me know if you want to go. And I was having all sorts of work done on the house at home at the time, didn’t really look at email, just skimmed over it and then left it. Then when I was in a position to come back and look at it, there was a YouTube clip from Rob Williams, the originator of PSYCH-K®, which is the tool I use today, talking about what is PK. I watched the YouTube clip, I watched it once, twice, I think it must have been four times!

Holly: Wow!

Sharon: I was so blown away, and it was literally Rob just talking about what is PSYCH-K®? So no demonstration, no explanation beyond what it was and what it’s ability was, to be able to change limiting beliefs. Then when I looked at the information, the flyer, I just knew in my body, every part of my physical body, knew that I needed to go to this workshop. I looked at the flyer, it was the next day, goodness, in Birmingham, and I had all this stuff going on at home with a small child, but I was there, and actually that first workshop, it was a two-day workshop at the time, blew me away. And that really started my journey in more depth, I suppose, looking at mindset and being able to change limiting beliefs, and really change them quite quickly and move in the direction that you want to go with your life. I have to say that it profoundly changed my life and I then did the Advanced the following year and now, over ten years later, I am in the fortunate position of being able to teach that tool.

Holly: Yay!

Sharon: So it is just phenomenal. Yes, so that was really my journey, and what I would say is that it found me. I didn’t go searching for it necessarily, it found me, and profoundly changed my life.

Holly: Yeah, I always say that my life is before and after PSYCH-K®.

Sharon: Me too, me too, absolutely, I would agree, we are so blessed.

Holly: It is such an easy tool to use and people who have heard my podcast have heard me talk about PSYCH-K® a lot, I have talked about it many times, but I think the important thing is to find what works for you {Sharon: exactly}, because I first approached this, I trained as a coach, so I kind of started approaching the concept of mindset through coaching, but that works very much at the conscious level, rather than the subconscious level. Then I trained as a NLP practitioner, and that is working at the subconscious level, but it was just so complicated and there were just so many, I don’t know, it just did not resonate with me. So, I trained in it and I loved it and I felt like it deepened my awareness of the world and how I approached things, but I didn’t use the tool because it just wasn’t my thing. And it wasn’t until I discovered PSYCH-K®, and trained in it, that I realised that was my thing and that was the thing that worked for me and that was what I really enjoyed using. I had gone to other practitioners and other facilitators using other techniques, and I tried different things and it was like nothing was quite right. So I did have to experiment with different things, before I found the thing that worked for me. That’s not to say that the other techniques didn’t work, because absolutely they did, but they just didn’t, it was like they weren’t as satisfying, they didn’t click, it wasn’t… I don’t know, how would you describe it?

Sharon: I think there is something about a resonance too, and in the time of my life where I was a homeopath, and I should clarify, actually, my homeopathic practice I had let go of completely and my full focus is PSYCH-K®. That was a gradual process, but that is where I am at in my life and teaching it, but resonance is an important thing and in that part of my life I resonated a lot with homeopathy, and it was like I was resonating on that same level. I encountered PK without even knowing what it is and there was this huge resonance in my body, it was almost like every cell in my body knew and resonated with PSYCH-K® and knew that that was the direction. There was no doubt that that was the direction that I needed to go. But I think finding a tool that you resonate with is a great thing, so my advice to anyone is to explore really, to begin with, to find that, and be okay with exploring a number of different tools.

Holly: Yes, absolutely, because you might not get it right on the first try.

Sharon: No, and be okay, because the thing is that is part of your journey. So, sometimes people say: how do I know if that is the right tool? How do I know if this is the right tool for me? Well, explore, and discover, and you will learn something and, synchronistically, like on my journey, meeting that person and them directing me to PK, the synchronistic dots that you join which you often only see in hindsight when you look back and think: oh, if I hadn’t have met that person, or if I hadn’t have gone to that workshop, then I wouldn’t be where I am right now, that’s my belief anyway, nothing is ever wasted.

Holly: Absolutely, and it helps to have the experience of the things that didn’t resonate with you, so that when something does resonate with you you are like: this is it, I know this is it, because it is not like those other things that weren’t it.

Sharon: Yes, yes. So you have got a reference point haven’t you.

Holly: A point of comparison. So what does your mindset practice look like, how do you use PSYCH-K® in your life?

Sharon: It has changed over the years, I have to say, at the moment, generally, I use it as and when I need it, so as and when I experience a block or a challenge in my life, it is instantly there for me, to be able to access and use and then on my journey again. It is like the speed bumps in the road that you encounter, I know now, when I need to use it I just reach for it automatically, it has become a practice, something that I use as and when. How about you Holly?

Holly: So, I always say that it comes in ebbs and flows, there are weeks where I am using it a lot, because I have hit one of the speed bumps and I need to be working on this issue with myself, and there are weeks, I don’t want to say months, because I probably don’t go more than a month without using it, but there are many weeks where I don’t use it. So when I need it I use it, and when I don’t need it I don’t use it. I also kind of feel like, when I do a lot of intense work with myself, then I naturally need the time to integrate it, because I can be kind of intense {laughing} because I love these tools so much, and so when I am using it I am using it quite a bit. I have this friend, Joanna Hennon, and oftentimes I will go to Brussels to visit her, she trained in PK last year and when I go to stay with her, and it is usually when her husband is away doing something, and her son is at school, we get a little bit obsessed, and we do PSYCH-K®, I want to say, six hours a day four days in a row.

Sharon: Wow!

Holly: It is intense, and we treat it like it is a retreat, and we are like playing and we do relationship balances, we do all kind of stuff but it is really full on, so I kind of come out of those retreats and come home and it is like: okay I don’t need to do anything for a long time because I have just done so much, and I need to integrate because I have done possibly too much in a very short period of time.

Sharon: Which is a little bit like attending a workshop, where not only are you learning, but particularly for the advanced workshop, four-days of transformation, as well as learning along side, so that is interesting. What I would say is that I divide it into two things: working with myself: I generally at the moment just reach for PSYCH-K® when I need it, when there is a block, when there is something going on. I am absolutely like you, there are ebbs and flows, there are times when I use it a lot, and then there are times of integration, or times when I don’t need it quite so much and I feel in flow. The other thing I do do regularly and working on being more disciplined with, is working on being of service, and that is working and using PSYCH-K® in a bigger way, so beyond myself, and that is more of a practice. You know reaching for it as when I need it, so there are two different ways that I use it, that it is worth acknowledging too, for the greater good.

Holly: So, what does that look like, you using PSYCH-K® as a service, in a bigger sense?

Sharon: So there is something that we teach now in basic workshop, it is called the Gaia project, and it is using PSYCH-K® in a way to support the evolution of the planet, as it is, things are moving so quickly these days and so it is being able to provide that space of opportunity for those to grow and develop and the planet to move in the direction that it is going.

Holly: So, that is something that you do on a regular basis?

Sharon: I try to do that at least once a week, as a kind of practice, and I know that some of the facilitators are starting to do that now, creating that space, opening what we call a portal, to be able to help and support anyone who needs it really.

Holly: Lovely. So how has your mindset practice evolved over the years, because I know how I use PSYCH-K®, how I work with myself, has changed a lot, since I first did the training.

Sharon: Mine has too, and again, I have gone through stages where it has changed. I know last year, well actually the year before, I found that I was just working with changing beliefs as and when I needed to, and then letting go. So I wasn’t really recording anything that I was doing, I wasn’t writing down we call them goal statements in PK when we are working with beliefs, I wasn’t writing them down and recording them, I was just literally: I want to change this right now, change it and move forward, take action, and step into the new potential, if you like. Then, when you come up against another block, or another challenge, you know identify and change a belief and move forward again and that was the way I worked for quite a number of years. Last year, it was slightly different I knew there were a number of things that I was going to experience last year in terms of growth and development for myself, and so at the beginning of the year, what I decided to do was to just start a journal. It was really a PSYCH-K® journal more than anything else, it was recording the work that I was doing. So, if ever I was working on a belief, I would write it down, I would write down the action steps that I had taken and then maybe I would also include some reflection as to what had happened as a result of the changes that I had made or any further reflection on other things that I thought I needed to work with. And so, I did that consistently for the whole of last year and I was astounded, actually when I looked back at some of the things that I worked with, at the changes that had happened, some of the synchronistic experiences that I had, the threads of change and what that had led to was really fascinating. So, I enjoyed doing that, have you ever done that?

Holly: Yes, well I first trained in PSYCH-K® I was very obsessed with it because I loved it so much, it was so easy to use, and there were a lot of things that I wanted to shift in my life. So I went home after the basic workshop, and I was probably balancing 20 beliefs a day and, because I knew once you do it, you don’t need to do it over again, it is not like repeating affirmations, where you have to do them every day forever, I thought: well, throw it away. I would have these lists and belief statements and I would be like: well, that is done, and I would throw it away. And, then it got to the point where I realised: I wonder what I was working on all those years? And I started writing them down in my journal, I don’t have a special journal for this, I just use my regular journal because I like to see how it integrates into the rest of my life and the other things that are going on. I write down the belief statements or the goal statements, I don’t necessarily write down the action plan there, I just kind of take the actions, and I haven’t really done any journalling to reflect on that, but I love going through my old journals now and seeing: oh, wow, I balanced for that and it came true and I made it happen! You know, I balanced for that that I was really afraid of, I was procrastinating on and then I did it. I love having the record of this now and I wish I had done it from the beginning to see exactly what work I have done and how that has changed my life.

Sharon: Because I think often when you make changes you don’t often… you know you step into the new potential, and sometimes you don’t connect, or you are not able to step into that space of: well, how did I feel before? You know, how did I feel, what was that challenge really like? Because you have stepped into that new potential quickly and easily and so you are in that new reality. So to step back and think: well, what was the reality like before? Sometimes I have looked at some of my notes and thought: did I really feel like that? Did I really? Why did I feel like I needed to work with that? Because you have embodied that new belief and as a result that new state of being.

Holly: It is like it is a new version of you.

Sharon: Like an upgrade.

Holly: Exactly it is absolutely an upgrade!

Sharon: Holly, and Holly.1 {laughing}

Holly: That is exactly what it is, it is a mindset upgrade, it is a belief upgrade, it is a you upgrade, because you are letting go of some of the stuff that no longer serves you, the limiting beliefs, the fears, the blocks, the stuff that is not useful to you because you want to be moving forward.

Sharon: That’s right, it is fascinating.

Holly: I love it. So, I often say to people that I think it is really important for everyone who is interested in doing this kind of work to train in a technique themselves, so they can do the work themselves. What is your take on that?

Sharon: I would absolutely agree, and my preference is always to empower others, to be able to have this tool. When people make contact and they want to book a session, I will have that conversation depending on what it is they want to work with, and what they want to change. Sometimes people come with a huge, what I call a shopping list of things they want to change, everything from relationships to finances, to health and fitness, this huge body work they want to work with. So, actually, being able to have the opportunity to start to work through some of that yourself, in a tool that you have that you know works and you trust, there is sometimes more value I think to be able to do little and often, than there is to come for a session or two sessions or three sessions and try and tick everything off on that list.

Holly: It is a lot, and I have absolutely had that conversation with people as well: I am just a facilitator, I am not an instructor, but there have been many times when I have had a discovery call with people who show up with a shopping list and I think: you know what, I could do this work with you, it would be very expensive and it would take a long time, why don’t you go this website, look at the workshops, train in this technique yourself, do all the work that you can do and when you need extra help, or you feel stuck and not sure what to do, then give me a call. I find it really, really, empowering to do the work with yourself and I find it just really, if you are dedicated to your personal development and dedicated to your growth, and this is something that is very important to you, why would you not train in a technique that you can use yourself, a tool you can have your entire life? Even if you just did the basic workshop in PSYCH-K®, or the basic anything else, you would have that tool forever to use with yourself when you need it.

Sharon: And even if you are the type of person who is absolutely dedicated to personal development, we all come against those speed bumps in life, don’t we? They are usually reminders aren’t they, that we need to make a change, so if you have got that you can immediately change that in the moment, and then move forward, and look at what else is there? Is there anything else that I need to work with? And that is incredibly empowering, and we move from a place of being a victim, to being empowered and being able to take control of our lives, be able to create whatever it is that we want for ourselves. I don’t believe that life is supposed to be about suffering.

Holly: Absolutely not, no, no, no and it is about taking responsibility for your experience, and how you choose to experience your life, do you want to suffer? Does that feel good to you? Or do you want something else, do you want something different?

Sharon: And knowing that it is possible to change it.

Holly: Absolutely and having the tool to do it.

Sharon: It is not a fixed state, that isn’t your birthright, and you weren’t destined to be that for the rest of your life, and it is possible to be able to change.

Holly: It is like having a headache and not knowing that taking aspirin or paracetamol will get rid of it, and just sitting there and suffering with it, are you going to sit there and suffer with it? Or are you going to try to find a solution to it, because having a headache is not good.

Sharon: Yeah, absolutely, if you have the tool then you can reach for it as and when, you are not reliant on somebody else. So you are not also giving away your power that’s the beautiful thing that I love about working with yourself, recognising and something that we teach in PSYCH-K® is recognising that you have all the wisdom already, whether you know it or not you have wisdom there and accessing it and the tool helps you to access all the answers that are already within you.

Holly: And I think that one of the things that I like about the philosophy of PSYCH-K®, or the attitude, or the vision of PSYCH-K®, is that you are a facilitator, you are not the expert working with someone else, you are just helping them facilitate the process of doing the work, because they are doing the work, the client, or the person that you are working with, your partner, and they are a partner, they are not this person that is beneath, and you are working with them, you are not working on or to.

Sharon: You are not doing something to someone else…

Holly: [Not] let me do some mindset work on you… to me that is very important and I don’t think I realised that when I started PSYCH-K® but the more training I did and the more that I got to know that perspective, that philosophy, the more I recognised that is how I want nn to work with people, I do not want to look down on people, I do not want to be the expert, I want to facilitate that process, I want to help them and in the same way I want to help myself.

Sharon: And that is the shift again, because, culturally, I think we are used to being in that space, the authority figure, somebody who is experienced, who has all the answers that you go to to be fixed, for want of a better word. And PSYCH-K® is so far removed from that, it is about coming back to that space of giving you your power back, rather than feeling disempowered and giving your power away to some other authority, who you perceive has all the answers, they don’t. I fundamentally believe that we know ourselves better than anybody else, whether we listen to that wisdom is another story, but PSYCH-K® is something and there are the tools that reconnect you with that innate wisdom inside you already. That’s a beautiful thing.

Holly: Yeah, absolutely, and as we are talking it is reminding me, NLP does have something similar which is the presuppositions: everybody is always doing the best they can at any given time, given the circumstances and tools that they have. So, I think, absolutely, there are other techniques out there, that operate from that philosophy and again it is about finding what works for you, finding what is right for you. So, that leads me onto the next question: how to find the right technique for you, I know we have kind of touched on that earlier, but what would recommend to people that say: oh, I heard about PSYCH-K®, I saw the Bruce Lipton video, I read the Biology of Belief and he mentions it in there, but how do I know it is right for me?

Sharon: Typically people start by reading something about it, so that’s the first bit, exploring, and often people come to the PSYCH-K® workshops particularly having read a lot of Dr Bruce Lipton’s work, where he references PSYCH-K® as a tool for change. So reading a little bit about mindset work to begin with, just explore a few books, again as we were talking about before see what resonates, and then maybe have an experience of that tool, so if it is possible to connect with somebody so that you can have a direct experience. It is not something I did, I jumped straight into the workshop, that resonance was so strong. But, for some people, it is useful to be able to experience it first and then, if it is PSYCH-K®, obviously we have the PSYCH-K® website: http://Psych-K.com and there is a list of all the workshops available, that you can attend the 3-day workshop is the first introduction to PSYCH-K® which is an incredible workshop in itself.

Holly: Yeah.

Sharon: And on that 3-day workshop you have all the tools that you need to be able to access limiting beliefs, to be able to change them, for yourself, and for others, whether it is friends or family members. Lots of people come to the workshop really to work with themselves or with their friends and family or beyond, if you want to work professionally with that tool. But I would say dip your toe in the water in some way, so get to read a little bit about the variety of different tools, and get firsthand experience if you can, or have a conversation with somebody who teaches it, or somebody who facilitates that tool to get a better understanding of whether it is a good fit for you.

Holly: Yeah, absolutely and I think also be open to trying different things but also be open to trying different facilitators or practitioners within each modality and I know this can get expensive, but sometimes the first NLP practitioner, or PSYCH-K® facilitator, or theta healer that you go to might not be the right person for you, but the technique or modality might be. So it might be that part of it resonates with you, part of it doesn’t and maybe it is the right modality and the wrong person, the wrong modality, the right person, you know, try to pick apart how you felt about that experience.

Sharon: That’s when it is useful to make first hand contact with that person and have a conversation, and just check-in with yourself again: does this person feel like a good fit for me, or not? Years ago when I was working as a homeopath, I would hear this a lot, people had been to see another homeopath, and they had come away saying: homeopathy doesn’t work. Whereas actually the resonance between themselves and the homeopath, just wasn’t quite right for whatever reason; so then finding somebody else, if they were willing to do that, to have another experience, they had a very different experience second time around. So, in the exploration, make sure that the person you are having the conversation with, or want to work with in some way, is a good fit for you. Absolutely, it is a good point.

Holly: Yes, because I know I have had that experience in the past where I have liked a particular technique or modality but perhaps the first person, I went to was not the right person. So, for me, even though I have trained in PSYCH-K® and I use it on myself and I have my HEW® which I also work with myself, I do from time-to-time see other professionals, both in PSYCH-K® and also other techniques, because I feel that sometimes I can’t see everything that is going on for me, so when I am stuck, and I am not getting the results that I want, and I feel like I have done a lot of work, I am not sure where to go, there is clearly something that I am not seeing, that’s when I say: who can I work with? And I find another professional and I have got my list of my top people that I love to work with. Do you ever work with another professional and if so when and why and how do you know it is time?

Sharon: Absolutely, and it is exactly the same situation so if it is something that I am a bit stuck with, or, as you said, I am not quite seeing an aspect of it. So maybe I have done the work, I have changed the beliefs around it, worked with some goal statements, but there is something still not quite allowing me to move forward, then there might be some other things at play, there might be some resistance going on, in some way, there might be something that we call secondary gain happening. That can also be quite hidden, underneath the goal in some ways. Secondary gain we talk about where there is a benefit to staying as you are, with the same behaviours, habits, that benefit outweighs the need or the desire to move forward. So, sometimes, that could be useful to work with somebody else to help you identify what that secondary gain might be.

Holly: That can be hard to see on your own.

Sharon: It is almost like another set of eyes on the situation, isn’t it? Helping you to look under the surface, even deeper. Usually, the other way to look at it, if it is something that is quite big, that you think is challenging to deal with on your own, or that you just don’t know where to start with it, where is the priority? If somebody else can help you through conversations sometimes, where would be a good place to start? Where is the priority here? And again, as a facilitator, we are never making that decision, we are just helping our partner who we are working with to identify that for themselves. Sometimes the two-way conversation, is really useful to give you a sense of direction, to move you forward again.

Holly: Also, I love working with people who work with other techniques, because if I have done a lot of PSYCH-K®, or I have done a lot of HEW®, I love going to a session with someone else who does theta healing or other stuff, it is just nice to approach the same topic from a completely different angle, with a completely different way of working, or method of transforming stuff. It almost feels like self-care to me, like taking a nice bath, or reading a nice book in a nice chair all snuggled up with a blanket; having a session with someone else almost feels like that for me, I feel really protected and supported and it just feels really lovely.

Sharon: And there is so much value in being able to have that conversation and for some people, when they first come to a session, for the very first time, if they have never experienced any kind of tool, or one-to-one work, it might be the very, very, first time that they have felt truly heard; so to be able to have some of that conversation, to be able to just express, there is value in expressing how you are feeling, and what the situation is that is going on for you in that particular moment that is challenging you, even to have that conversation with another person who you know is holding that space for you, is really there for you in a totally non-judgemental way, supporting you the whole way, there is huge value in that.

Holly: Absolutely.

Sharon: Before you have even started to do the work.

Holly: Yes, yes, and having that other person’s perspective, there are so many times, a lot of my friends are PSYCH-K® facilitators, and other practitioners, and coaches, so my conversations with my friends are probably not…

Sharon: Mine too!!

Holly: …normal conversations, because there is always some kind of, I don’t know

Sharon: …perspective

Holly: Exactly, like a learning perspective.

Sharon: An evolutionary conversation…

Holly: Yes, yes, yes, yes, there are whole new layers to it and there have been times, I remember this one time with my friend Cathy Ballard, we were talking about this situation that really bothered me and I was kind of ranting to her and she was like: well…and she asked me these questions and she gave me a different perspective, and I was like: oh my god you are right I am so glad that happened! It was something that really, really, bothered me that happened with another person and I was like: I am so glad she did that!

Sharon: Can help you see the opportunity in it that you wouldn’t ordinarily see, because you are in that angst of the situation.

Holly: Yes, she completely flipped it on its head, and I was like: I am so glad that happened, and I am so glad that we had this conversation, because now I am not bothered, I am really grateful. So, having another person’s perspective is so, it is priceless.

Sharon: It is, it is amazing.

Holly: So how do we know when it is time to get help from someone else? I know we have touched on that, but what are the warning signs?

Sharon: So I think if there is a sense of feeling stuck, it is a great warning sign, it is a great flag, isn’t it? Okay, I am trying to do this work, but I am either not moving forward in the way I am wanting to, or I am stuck with what to do next, that is a great flag to say, it is time to ask for help. Actually the other things is being okay with asking for help and receiving help.

Holly: yes!

Sharon: Because that is often the challenge I see when people struggle on, thinking: actually I need to do all of this myself, and that’s not the case at all.

Holly: I know that doing this work with other professionals can, it is an investment, both time and money, but once you have done this training, assuming you have done some kind of training in something for yourself, you have a network of other people, and you can do swap sessions.

Sharon: Exactly.

Holly: I can help you, you can help me, and I have absolutely done that with other people before, and it has been really, really, helpful. Always have in the back of your mind that you have got this support network of people that you can do an exchange with.

Sharon: Exactly, and share experiences, share successes and celebrate together. When you do make a big shift, and move forward, if you are working with yourself, it is great to have somebody else to be able to say: hey, this is what happened, and this is where I am right now, isn’t that great? To kind of cheerlead you on really, it is another important aspect in that network, isn’t it?

Holly: So, how else do we know when to ask for help?

Sharon: I suppose, if there is any secondary gain there, if you are not sure what is going on and and you have tried to move forward yourself, and you are stuck, the other thing is when you keep falling back into those habits and behaviours.

Holly: Yes, yes, because that does happen.

Sharon: The other thing is that if you have made a change and you are already taking some action, or you know that it is beneficial to take some action, but the action is just not happening, and you are not able to take that action with ease, then there is something else going on there. So, if you are not able to identify why that is the way it is and why you are falling back into old habits and patterns, the behaviour, then maybe asking somebody else to help you with identifying what is going on, because it is possible that there could be some secondary gain going on there.

Holly: I think also, for me, it is when I have had certain big issues that I have worked with, with myself over the years, and I am like: ah I am so tired of working on this thing and I don’t want to do any more work with myself on this. Then it can help to give it someone else to see how they approach it, because it is like: I am tired of this, I don’t want to do any more work.

Sharon: If it is something quite big then it may you are working at it from a service perspective, so you are still moving forward, but with the support of somebody else, it is possible that you might be able to go a bit deeper into the core of what is going on. Not that we need to know where it came from, in order to be able to make the change, but sometimes you could just go that little bit deeper. If you kind of find that core, or the thing that unravels everything else, if you like, where you make that change at that level, sometimes working with somebody will help you do that and see things again from a different perspective.

Different flavours of resistance

Holly: So, sometimes when we do this work, we have resistance and I know we have talked about secondary gain, but resistance has a variety of different flavours! {laughing}

Sharon: It does.

Holly: So, let’s talk about resistance. It is like on one level we want to make progress, we want to make changes, we want to do stuff, but then there is part of us that is like: no, no, no, things must stay the way they are.

Sharon: Comfort zone.

Holly: Yes, exactly. Must stay here, because I know what this is like, I don’t like it, but I know it.

Sharon: By nature the subconscious mind’s role really is to keep us safe.

Holly: Yes.

Sharon: So, it likes the familiar, it likes to be within our comfort zone and if it is something that it doesn’t know already it is asking: is this survivable, it is wanting to keep you safe. Resistance might show up in that respect, your subs conscious mind is saying: hang on a second, we don’t know whether this is a good plan or not, let’s just stay over here, so that’s where resistance might show up. It might be resistance to even finding help, looking for a tool. Thinking: well, I don’t know whether I can change this, and if I change this, then that is going to change, then something else is going to happen that is way outside of my comfort zone.

Holly: Or even thinking: this is so big I will never be able to change this, it can’t be changed.

Sharon: Just by nature having limiting beliefs around that, it is not possible, my family have always had this challenge, what makes me any different? I am destined to be the same, to not be able to shift or change this and have something else than they have already had.

Holly: What else does resistance look like? What have you seen in yourself, maybe with clients, how else have you?

Sharon: It might be things like: based on experience, and beliefs, so it may be that you think: I want this amazing relationship, but I am never going to ever have that. Past experience has showed me that that is not possible, I am in this loop of having the same experience over and over again. So, why would it be any different even if I changed my own mindset? What is going to change that is going to attract a different person into my life, we haven’t got supportive beliefs to think that it is ever going to happen, you just don’t do it, you give up. So you resign yourself, I am not going to have this experience in my life.

Holly: This is just how life is.

Sharon: This is just how life is for me.

Holly: yeah, and it can also show up in practical ways, like forgetting the name of the person that someone recommended to you or losing their phone number. I once had a client who, back when I was seeing clients in person, she had been to see me before, so she knew where my consultation room was, came back for another visit, drove to a completely different town an hour away. And I just thought: you have been here before, you know… that was clearly resistance, it is like: I don’t know how I ended up here. And I was like: I know how you ended up there! {laughing} because no one else can make that mistake, you clearly have some resistance going on.

Sharon: Exactly, subconscious resistance, taking you in the opposite direction.

Holly: Subconscious is thinking: we are not getting off the M25 here, we are going to go somewhere else today, somewhere safe, somewhere safe where nothing happens. {laughing}

Sharon: Because I am never going to get thee and that is fine, I won’t have to do the work.

Holly: And, again, this is at the subconscious level, she was seriously perplexed as to how she managed to drive somewhere totally different. The subconscious mind was the one who was in charge there.

Sharon: Satnav stops working, that’s another one. They are minutes away and the Satnav just completely clicks off and you have lost all connection and now you don’t know where you are going. That’s another classic.

Holly: So your subconscious is on board with the Satnav, sabotage, sabotage.

Sharon: Sabotage is another word… it is that self-sabotage isn’t it, that prevents you from moving the direction that you want to go.

Holly: Let’s talk about self-sabotage, it is a very common way of looking at it, but it is really not, because it is just your subconscious trying to keep you safe.

Sharon: And it is just you getting in your own way, really, isn’t it? And not even consciously, so that’s the thing, that’s the tricky thing, we don’t necessarily see it that way, but if you are able to look at it from a different perspective and think: it is literally only my subconscious trying to keep me safe, preventing me from going into the unknown, because this is familiar. You know, although I don’t like what I have got going on right now, it is familiar, it is that comfort within the discomfort.

Holly: It is the safety within the discomfort, at least I know what I am getting.

Sharon: It is like: when does the pain point get to the point where you just can’t tolerate it any further and that’s when people really feel moved to make the change, because the discomfort is more than actually wanting to move forward.

Holly: Exactly, you have hit rock bottom and it is really, really, uncomfortable.

Sharon: Exactly, you know you can’t stay there any longer.

Developing the confidence to work with yourself

Holly: So, let’s say you have trained in a technique and you go home, and you are like: what do I do now? Did I really learn this thing, did I learn it well enough? How do you get the confidence to work on your own with yourself at home when you don’t have your instructor on the other side of the room that you can ask questions from?

Sharon: It is simply practice, practice, practice, practice. That’s what is needed. To be able to go away and put what you have learned into practice, and that’s the wonderful thing, I think, about PSYCH-K®, is after the workshop, I have been on many workshops before where I have come home and put the folder on the shelf and not looked at it or felt overwhelmed. The great thing about the PSYCH-K® workshop is that it is very practical and so you are learning a chunk of information and then you are putting it into practice, so by the end of the three days you are going away feeling confident enough to make a start. Then, the key is practice, and whether you make that a daily practice or not, to build your self-muscle testing which we teach at the workshop, so you can work with yourself, is to find a method that works for you and to stay in that place of curiosity and just consistently. The more you practice, the more your confidence will grow.

Holly: Absolutely, absolutely.

Sharon: Then we will start to see results and that builds if you like, that’s the result, it motivates you to do more of the same.

Holly: And it gives you more confidence because you say: well, clearly, I am doing something right, because things are changing. I think I was so obsessed with the technique when I got home that I didn’t even have to make an effort to practice, because I loved it so much, it was just balance as much as we can {laughing}.

Sharon: And it is more doing it, isn’t it than anything, it is incredibly practical to use it and put it into practice, the change processes, the balances, we call them in PK are laid out so that you can follow them step-by-step, quite simply, so it is very easy to put into practice.

Holly: So, we are talking about this, I am thinking about all the different things I have worked on over the years with PK and a lot of it was very kind of foundation stuff, self-confidence, self-esteem, self-trust, but I was coming from an okay place when I stared this, I was no longer in a state of crisis, and I had been in a state of crisis, years prior. What would you recommend for people who are listening to this and maybe thinking: I am in such a bad place, everything is terrible, I don’t even know what to do, I am overwhelmed, what do I do, how do I? Where do I start?

Sharon: That’s when I would say ask for help initially. I would say don’t start to gather tools, or explore tools, yeah, if you are in a difficult place, do some reading, then you can see a tool that resonates, but I would say ultimately ask for some help. You are more likely to identify a tool I think, and be able to use it for yourself, we are talking about here, what we use in a daily practice for ourselves, when we are not in that state of crisis. So you can work with smaller, more practical things, rather than some huge thing going on in your life, I would say ask for help. Would you agree Holly?

Holly: yeah, absolutely. Kind of get out of that dark place, get out of that overwhelm, get out of the bad spot and then once you are feeling a bit more neutral then kind of start, it gives you a different perspective.

Sharon: And you could do it little and often. As something comes up, those little speed bumps, not that big in the road.

Holly: Absolutely, not the mountain.

Sharon: Not the mountain, you need mountaineering help,

Holly: Get some help with the mountain {laughing}.

Sharon: Sherpas! {laughing}

Holly: So, I kind of feel that we have alluded to this, but let’s be really specific, how would you recommend, how would you suggest that people might make mindset work a habit? Make it a regular part of their life, not something where they get some help now, and then six months later they get some help, but that they are regularly and consistently doing this work with themselves or getting help from someone else. How would you recommend that people make it a habit?

Sharon: I think firstly, when you are working with yourself, I often hear from people that they will make a note of things that they want to work with, so if something pops up in their mind, they will write it down and they will say: I am going to come back to that, and they will put it on a shelf, and they will leave it. The great thing about working with yourself is that if you can do it in the moment, there is so much value in being able to: right, this thing has just happened, I just want to shift it to here and now, you know, in this present moment, as it is in existence right now. Rather than writing a shopping list and saying: okay, this evening or at the weekend, I am going to work through all of these issues, you can do that, but personally I think there is huge value being able to shift things as and when they pop up.

Holly: I really like that because when I first started doing PSYCH-K®, that is how I would work with myself, I would make a big list, throughout the day, anytime I was doing something I would think: ooh that, and I write the list and the I would get to the end of the day with 20 different things and I would do a big session with myself. I guess that’s what worked for me in the beginning but then I got to the point where I had done so much stuff and I had worked through all the basics and then it was easier for me to: oh I see something, do it in the moment.

Sharon: Exactly, rather than put it on the shelf.

Holly: It never went on the shelf, every day I was doing it.

Sharon: That’s great because lots of people say that they write the list and then they never come back to it, or they come back to the list and they think: what did I mean by that?

Holly: Yeah, it was relevant in the moment…

Sharon: It is not such a tangible feeling, or an emotional charge to it as there was in the moment, to be able to shift it then, when it is on a list, it doesn’t feel quite the same.

Holly: So, how has doing mindset work changed your life?

Sharon: Beyond recognition. Where to start Holly? My life looks nothing like it did before PK and so it is exactly as you said, my life before PK and my life after PK, not after PK but PK going forward.

Holly: Yeah, after you have discovered it.

Sharon: It is completely different. The things that I have in my life, the sense of ease and contentment I have, the ability to be able to shift and change things if necessary; to be able to support my family, my children, you know it is huge, absolutely huge. Yeah, just the ease and joy that I have. Even just the network of amazing people I have around me as a result of meeting people through PSYCH-K®, through this particular tool, but I am sure it is the same with many different tools, is meeting like-minded people. It always astounds me when people come to a workshop, or I run practice days too, people saying: this is a space where I can be who I am, I can be me, because I am not always me with the people I am around, I maybe go to a day job where I can’t talk about this stuff. You know, to be completely aligned with who you are, and being able to express that in the world, I think is just a phenomenal thing and something that I take to granted. I do feel my life is very aligned in that way, I feel very blessed, surrounded by like-minded people.

Holly: And, for me, it is also about seeing new possibilities that I didn’t think were available to me, or that I didn’t think I was capable of achieving, because I have kind of got the increased self-esteem, self-confidence, and I realise that I am capable of doing so much more than a few years ago I thought I could.

Sharon: Exactly, exactly. This new level of potential that you didn’t see before, but you move forward into that new reality and you think: actually, there is even more potential than I ever thought existed.

Holly: yay! I love this stuff. I love, I love it, it has been such an important part of my life only for the last not even six years, I did my basic workshop in PSYCH-K® at the end of July 2013, so it has been five-and-a-half years, not that long ago, but in that five-and-a-half years I used that tools and HEW® so much that I have made such massive shifts in my life an dI can’t believe, it is like I am a completely different person compared to before.

Sharon: It is incredible. The other thing that I just want to say in response to the muscle testing, but any tool really, is that the more that you fine tune working with yourself, the more you listen to that inner wisdom, the more you listen to that what we call in PSYCH-K® the superconscious mind, the intuition, the higher self, whatever you wanted to call it, the more you get the messages that you need to hear, before you have to reach that place of emotional charge or trauma, or drama in your life, that is real suffering. You don’t need to reach that point quite in the way that you did perhaps before because you are fine tuning that conversation, you are hearing things much more, I think we have become so disconnected from nature, having lived in the cycles and rhythms of nature, we were much more in tune with ourselves, with our inner wisdom, these days we live in a world that is driven by the fast pace of technology and we are disconnected from the largely natural world. So, for me, it is also something that brought me back in tune, is in harmony with my inner wisdom, with nature, a landscape if you like. The more that we can do that individually, and collectively, the world will be very, very, different place Holly.

Holly: Absolutely, I think the more we take responsibility for ourselves and our lives and living the life that we want, everyone is going to be lifted up, because when you do this work with yourself you are an example for your kids, your parents, your partner, your friends, family and everyone in your life.

Sharon: And you think that you are doing it on your own at home working with your own challenges, which is true, but actually when we think about it the ripple effect of doing that work with yourself, go far beyond that, don’t they?

Holly: Absolutely, this is not just for the benefit of yourself, it is for the benefit of everyone around you.

Sharon: Exactly, exactly. The way that you relate to others around you, interact, exactly as you said, the examples that you are setting, just by showing people the possibilities and potential. Actually, I thought the ceiling was here in terms of my own potential, gosh, actually, it is far beyond that, there is so much more possibility.

Holly: I love this stuff. So, I feel like we kind of covered the topic, how do you feel? Do you have any final words that you would like to share?

Sharon: I would say start simply, not in a place of crisis, but a place of curiosity, be okay with exploring, don’t feel that you are going to fail. You know, the journey is the journey, we are evolving, it is not about the destination, it is about exploring and being curious along the way. Find something that you resonate with, when you do, learn it for yourself and then commit to making it a practice. Taking back that power, that wisdom, believing that you have that inner wisdom already within you, so that you can tap into that, and you will build your intuition just much more quickly, rather than needing to go into a place of trauma in your life, before you get to make that change and know that it is available for anyone.

Holly: It is not like you have to have something within you.

Sharon: You don’t have to come having trained as a coach, or some other discipline to add this tool, just purely be for you and your everyday life.

Holly: Anyone can learn it.

Sharon: Absolutely.

Holly: So where can people find you online? I will put the links in the show notes, but if you mention it.

Sharon: Sure, my website is simply my name: http://Sharonlock.com , so I have got all of my background information, workshop dates, when they are available and also people can look at, if PK is something that is interesting to you, you can check out the PK website which is PK.com. Again there are workshops throughout the world and there are two of us instructors teaching in the UK. So, there is plenty of availability to be able to attend a workshop.

Holly: Excellent, thank you so much, I really, really, enjoyed this conversation.

Sharon: Thank you for inviting me! We always have these conversations and it is like we are sharing our personal conversation.

Holly: The inspiration for these podcast episodes came from a conversation that we were having {laughing} and I said: other people need to hear this.

Sharon: Our typical conversation.

Holly: This is how we catchup.

Sharon: Off on a tangent and getting super-excited.

Holly: All right, thank you so much for joining us.

Sharon: My pleasure.

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295: Sharon Lock ~ How to Make Mindset Work a Habit